AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, Not Max!!!!LOL Max is okay, I did a short course using Max, but then I went and learnt............. Lightwave, AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!! Thats worse cos you have to relearn terms and phrase cos they dont use SubDs they have MetaNurbs and they dont have SplitPoly tool they have a vicious Knife tool and they WELD vertex not Merge Vertices ugh!!! But I redeemed myself and I'm okay now!!!!! _J