WOOT.... i got it. I think i know how it started. i kept getting a model cage annomally that occured when i tried to split my cage to many times with poly split, when i tried to recreat part of the geometry to make the ears maya didnt like it and would grab 6 verticies of the hand and translate then 100 units(yikes) how wierd. Fortunatly i took someones advice to save multiple times in multiple files. so i just went back to before i started having the problem and corrected it. I cannot stress this enough .......... SAVE MULTIPLE TIMES, IN MULTIPLE FILES .......... it can save your arse and your project.