OK Thanks BTW I saw that thread but yeah, I agree about the poly count and thought that Mike would have kittens if he saw me messing with all those triangles on this challenge.. Looks really cool tho.... I thought of making a Big wide flat Cube with loads of subdivisions on the surface as the plane, kind of like NitroLiq's second choice, have had some success - but if anyone has a better idea...? When I tried using a plane, (Tried that before the cube) I could not get it to lift up? I will check settings....I imagine it may lower poly count a lot....But for some reason mine would not 'lift' up.... Scraggy Will sleep a bit then try it all out......