hmm.. well the ref pics is that lil one I just scale it up... I basicly got a pic off this site of a nude model and drew on it . As far as modeling goes this is my first time ever using a modeling type thing. Well come to think of it I lie I use an app once like a couple years ago called zmodeler to try and model a car to import into gta3 but didnt get past a simple tire lol. Like I said I was following alot of tutorials and just got borred of them so went on to model my own thing. I even tried the dog tut Kurt gots here and couldnt boolean anything so I quit <:\ but then kept find tuts and looking around and pushed forward.. well im modeling the upper chest part right now soon I hope to post an update and I hope I can find some kind of ref pics of a ladies head. The ones from that site are way to small <:\ Anyway thnxs for the feedback back to modeling