I just got to say... mtmckinley has just done us a vip movie tutorial on the arm stitching tutorial available in html format from his web site. And I have to add that he has done a fantastic job!! very clear in his explanation great trouble shooting help...and he list goes on!! Im not kidding when I say this, but I learned more from this in the way nurbs are attached then on any video..including the patch modeling one! Excellent Mike !! I just have to have a few final words with Mike then with his say so the tutorial will be realeased shortly afterwards!