oh yea they are good. my point is that they are targeted a certain users. more advanced users who want to pust their techniques further. like yourself. but someone who's just starting would not want to jump to something that's hyper-real, it would just fustrate them if they could not get the same level of result. i mean, compare some of the wip i see here from the tuts of Kirt, you get my idea. [i hope] but sure, these can be recommended to the likes of you or ppl with a with a good sense of what they r doing and want to apply them in future project, as oppose to just to follow a tut and making it. if u think this is negative, then you are overly-positive :p