Yep you are probably right . And about that yes .. i want to do some crazy 3D shit ... hmm about the talent and etc ... i must say that i draw VERY VERY terrible on paper ... it's like F MARK aways but i have so much ideas in my head and when i model i do some of them and do some crazy shit ... well and another quiestion ... When i model i use a lot of splits as i say before ... but i saw in totorials that ProS make very cool model with a few splits .... and thats im wondering how they managed to do this :headbang: . 10x for the comments all and keep in touch