hello again just come across another problem i dont understand how to go around it....how do i make circles within a square object??? i have now got to a point where i need to make the joystick and where the joystick is it has a circle rim indent around it heres a pic to show you what i meanthe phone shape is different to the one in the pic its more square the pic seems to be squashed) heres a pic of the wireframe so if you can see anything wrong or something that would make my life easier for the future please tell me lol: also here the render shot of where i want it: thanks josh hope im making sense