Originally posted by LauriePriest lol, confusing choice of subject matter. You going for photoreal? you should use some reference as a goal (please dont post the reference). I had one reference, but i didn't stick to it... ermm... you know what i mean... anyway, it was just a way of practicing sss, i thought it made a good choice of object. I've actually started adding a face to it... (am i coming accross as odd?) its coming up for hallowe'en so i thought i would make it into some wierd costume. i thought it looked funny with the spot light, kind of like a comedian. I might model a cigarette for it to hold; i could do with some more practice with particles.