hey...dude thanx for the reply and the offer. i want to model the mouse because i want to test my modelling skills with maya.this would be a perfect candidate for rhino(oohhh i luuv that app),and i'd lick it with spline modelling in max. maya on the other hand has many fancy modelling tools but some how those cracks always show up arghhh and i want to be able to animate this...but thats another story, i can always convert to poly's/subd's and clean up. i'm doing this or rather want to, because modelling technical and complex shapes are my nemesis...u know what they say, face your fear thanx b