thanks everyone. jay - i was actually thinking of an alleyway scene, maybe with a dog chewing on his leg... a graveyard would be cool too. hmmm... gster - yeah, a cenobite would be cool - you going to make one up? chirone - i did some final renders, but i wasn't that happy with them. https://forum.simplymaya.com/showthre...&pagenumber=15 i'll probably go back to it, but at the moment i can't really look at it.