thanks wiz... sadly i want be able to use my maya computer for a while so i am going to have to use this as a final render....i know its not finished or textured.. but i cant even put a simple shader to it....im really sorry about that... i am not even able to get a render from a better angle.. im really sorry about that.... i know there is no chance i will win because of this...but that is not the reason i enterd the challenge ...i had a great time doing this so concider this my final render. https://forums.simplymaya.com/attachm...=&postid=67617