[i]Or, use polys and put holes wherever you want. lol You gotta remember, Maya isn't just a nurbs program... it's got a lot of other stuff in there, too. [/B] I know , but it should be doing the things the right way and not make me bang my head against the wall ... Actually , I didI start the truck with polys and then decided I would like the cabin in Nurbs, take a look: https://users.actcom.co.il/sysoft/gallery/scania.jpg Nir