@Mayaniac Thanks and the renders are dark because; -Only image based rendering, no lights whatsoever (and my guess is that it's an 8 bit image) -Al materials except the eyes are lambert no sss or blinns which makes it kinda flat But yes you' re right my renders always seem to be a tad dark Finished some more work today; did some work on the attributes layed out some UV's and started experimenting with Mudbox for a change (still have to install ZBrush but forgot to take the serialkey with me from work) and textured the hat a bit