Originally posted by R-Tillery HE HE yea I’m working at it, at a snails pace but I’m coming along, but hey thanks for the reply, believe it or not it inspires me to keep going. I’m working on the face now, it’s a challenge but ill get there. snails pace? dont expect wonders. i suggest before you try to create complex things as muscles to first learn to model and model and model. learn how easy it can be to create different muscle definition by pulling only a few verts or cvs around. happy mayaing