Thanks bullet... yep, that's contours comped over ambocc... think that might be a bit advanced for the FAQ, but we'll see. I know ctbram did a nice little explanation in some thread a while back with a soda can, that's where I learned it. Dave, thanks for the advice; I'm not sure if I'll even use the smooth preview much since game characters won't be smoothed in engine, right? But we'll see how it goes.