thanks a lot i am self taught and i think people like me are prone to take it and leave it, but when i do put stuff up for crit it allways gives me a boost , and ive had some early stuff ravaged! but just the interest of people taking the time to add their piont of view makes the sense of a community out their come back to life, and really gets me into it again, lets face it we all need a bit of encouragment, especialy if you have to get up at 5am, to have a couple of hours before work and the kids! so cheers