Cool mate, yeah I know all about the divisions, sometimes they are more hassle with more loops than with less LOL. Im a bit wary of Mayas bevel tool, as it does produce some oddities depending on the geo in question - there used to be a script called 'bevel plus' that was much better, but I dont know if it even exists now. It used to be over at Highend3d (now CreativeCrash.com) Look forward to the update cheers Jay