Thanks guys SomeGuy: I actually have stubble lined up for him via shave and haircut. G-Man: I think the subtleties of the skin will come thru onnce the subsurface shader is on it. He's just a manky alien dude that will be running a hotel in my Outlaws Comic, and yeah there'll be a body.. Murambi: Animation? Me? No mate, though he will be rigged and poseable, but I wont animate him, it would look awful cheers Jay