humpf!... well, i showed it to my wife and she agreed. so i've made the bag bigger. thanks neostrider! after measuring everything for my security room, i guess i just wanted to get by by eyeballing this time. bad idea. have been arranging and rearranging pieces of glass which was.... fun. also made a start on the wires. getting there slowly. joopson - thanks - your crazy - i reckon you've got this one sewn up.