Okay here are the videos of the workflow to create engraved text using bevel plus and nurbs trims. It's three parts. In the first one I just go over some of the things to be aware of when using bevel plus and in parts 2a and 2b I go over the process of creating the nurbs parts. I attached the Complete.ma file as well. Cheers, Rick part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS13...fsm9_VLjnA2MvQ part2a: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAbp...fsm9_VLjnA2MvQ part 2b: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_ZQ...fsm9_VLjnA2MvQ PS - reverse polygon surface direction was moved to the normals menu. Sorry I was looking for it where is priginally was which was under the edit mesh menu. I rarely ever use the menu tabs as I find using them them too slow. I either use the marking menu's, hotkeys, or the shelf. Also I do these pretty much on the fly without really planning anything out so I apologize if they are not polished and I yammer on too much. Thank you so much for all of work surrounding this issue! I really appreciate it, and I am sure thatamny more will as well when searching for this process. Thank you again!