THX I was going to start the thread but its not at the front of my mind right now, I have work commitments and other stuff plus making a couple of new tutes for SM and stuff so ya know...all I need now is a life.. LOL BUT...once you have a load of ideas here on this thread, let me know and I'll speak with Dave, Nilla and Mike and we'll decide the next challenge from there. I think a Maya only challenge on the next one, no zbrush or Mud etc. Jay