thanks guys that's very encouraging. i decided to re- modeled from the begining. this time i used SubDs. the back still needs some work and the arms going to the wrist. But i have a big problem...my machine, it seems like its going to give up me already. its an old PIII. i was thinking there might be some other approach so that i can finish my model...i'm not certain what exactly. any suggestions guys..? anyway, here's what i've done so far...