Hey Guys Sorry for the delay in updates, been busy on a tute for here and have had a few probs with that on the sound so had to redo somestuff to stay on track. Anyway have begun the up the neck and shoulders and am busy tweaking that, I will detach probably half the neck from the head as the uvs are done in that area so the seam wont exist on the finished article eventually, this will enable me to keep the rig tidy for the facial expressions too. Also have tweaked areas here and there, the rib cage is now far better in proportion as are the arms in relation to the body, they were just a little short before. Still have issues with other areas, but they will get done soon Anyway onwards and upwards... Jay