Chirone, and Bullet: It was made from a torus resized and cut down to a quarter to get the bars at the top where they bend over, then the bottoms extruded down to the floor. Then just a cylinder duplicated down to make the rungs. Was the quickest way I could think of making it, it took probably about 3 minutes to make..lol Sorry for the lack of progress Chirone *hangs head in shame* Jay: Thanks mate, I will do my best, work is very busy at the moment though, and looking like its going to get busier over the next few weeks, I'll be sure to find some time for Maya though.