let me say: you are a freak! I admire your mathematical mind. basically I´m scared of such in deep solutions you provide with your walkerman for example. cause I usually have to understand how everything works with default maya tools, and afterwards might possibly be able to use mel scripts people like you write. a year ago I felt like a noob with maya. but since i stick my nose into scripts now I feel even more noob then in the beginning. when does all this become easy cheesy??