@ ben: a: visited shows the links you have visited, I want to click on a link and as long as I stay on that page I want the active page link to have different color than the other links @stwert; You speak wise words only I have no idea how to accomplish those things you just said seriously dude I learned html/css/java on the fly last saturday so I am a tad inexperienced to say the least But thanks for thinking along I really appreciate it :attn: