Thanks David....I bloody found the problem though...after Googling it...I forgot to bloody reverse the NURBS surface before I created the glass....bahahahaha and I NEVER forget to do that....I really wish 2 sided lighting was off all the time......doh. Yeh Im on 2009 mate...just fin part 2 of the tut...Production Workflow. Oh and I have learnt about the Graph editor...f*****g sweet mate...thats a little bit I didnt know about....EXCELLENT.

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