thanks Dave, you too Cheers Mat, I'm at Leeds Met doing Creative Technology (3D mainly with some photoshop thrown in). I think you said you were at Bradford weren't you? I very nearly was there this year but changed my mind at the last minute (job related). Cheers Jay, thanks for the tip - I've been playing with that technique today and it does help. Eee, these old grandpa's in their rocking chairs can still teach us young whippersnappers a thing or two For this hand-in I'm probably going to omit any detailed cars and just motion blur some elements in there. In the future when I revisit this (and do a far better job) I think some uber cool futuristic vehicles will be the order of the day! Cheers Si and a reversed black and white which I do quite a bit when working things up (or used to do many years ago):