thankyou jsprogg. This has worked. But do you know...or does anyone else....I built the axe from two parts, a cube and a cylinder. I selected both and Edit>Grouped them, which has attached them in the outliner, but when moving the pivot point, I believe i only moved the pivot point of the cylinder, and when i use the move tool, i can move the cylinder(axe handle) independently of the axe head. So I assume the axe heads pivot point is still independent of the cylinders. What would be the best way to attach these two objects so that there independent pivot points become one?