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# 1 11-04-2008 , 02:34 AM
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You Will Lose All The Rights to Your Own Art

Hey guys, seems there is not enough power here about this problem, let us hear from each other.

Originally found this issue at CGS

With so much focus on Hollywood's plight over the issue of piracy, it's disturbing to know that the intellectual property rights of artists are being attacked.

You might say, i don`t care it`s in America, but this law will also be a result of European or Asian work. Which means all American cooperative company`s can use your work without your consent notice or even letting you know. They do say you have to search a website if this image has a copyright, but the company who created this search engine says there is a 1% dropout, which means out of 1 mill pictures there are 10.000 that can`t be identified, so what about when you are one of those 10.000. You loose your rights and the company who stole your work will not have to go to court. Due to the fact they did the search and they assumed it`s an Orphan Work.

So now we as Artist when this new law is in place, can`t publish images or work, out of fear that company`s like Corbis (royality free image site) which is owned by Bill Gates can take your work and make a profit, and you get nothing.

If you know somebody with big political power, then please ask them to help us Artists out.
Contact your friends at the News Station and make a big deal out of it.

https://mag.awn.com/index.php?ltype=...article_no=3605

I encourage all artists to read this article, and pass it along to your colleagues!

If this law is still starting out, we need to have our say so before it is too late.

It is VERY HARD to get rights back after you have lost them.
Comment on them to spread the word:

For starters post on DIGG to get more people on board

DIGG THIS PLEASE DIGG

It seems this link gets broken i cant fix it
So check out the CGS thread, in this page you see the DIGG link https://forums.cgsociety.org/showthre...4&page=5&pp=15


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# 2 11-04-2008 , 06:01 AM
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Interesting

I was reading an article on this type of thing last week as I was concerned about my stuff. the article was actually from Aprils edition of 3d world. I'll be as brief a possible with what they said.

firstly it boils down to the country you reside, they used the USA and the UK for the article. they used scripts as the subject matter but it goes for all sides.

In the UK your work must be original to you and therefore must not amount to a substantial copy of an earlier work. Whether a copy is substantial is not assessed by the number of wordss or paragraphs that are copied but whether taken as a whole, the copy is based on what makes the earlier work original. Though this is considered subjective and can be a costly claim to defend.

However you should distinguish the copying of a copyright work to the mere copying of themes or ideas, ie: taking an idea say from a dysfunctional cartoon family or a space adventure does not amount to the infringement of copyright in English Law. Its the expression of themes and ideas (words and phrases used) that attracts copyright protection. Having satisfied yourself that you have an original copyrighted works you need to figure out to share the works without it becoming a free for all.

They also say that work on a website is basically like leaving it out on the street for all to see and take as their own.

Here in the UK you need to to have copyright asserted by basically putting a copyright logo on your front page of your website, ya know the little 'c' in a circle your name and also the year of creation. Its your way of saying you own the content. But there is no copyright register in the UK but instead several informal logs that can be used to store your your work for 3rd party evaluation. Again these have no legal standing but are just useful for evidence to show the work that your works were in existence at a particular time.

the article goes on about non disclosure agreements etc.

But in the USA the Library of Congress operates a library of copyright register of original work. If you do notregister you may not be able to recover whats rightfully yours. Its always recomended you register your copyright in the US regardless.

at the end of the day everything must be decided at your own risk

ta daaa

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# 3 11-04-2008 , 07:20 AM
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Anything published on the web is protected under the Berne Copyright Convention, so no not anything you publish is for any to just grab and use.

At the moment anything you publish and you can prove it`s yours, it`s protected.

But now if this law is a go it means.

Any work not registered to the registry of imaging or whatever, will be considered Orphan .

What about you publish your family foto, you dont want to spend 5 Dollars per image to register it, that means your spending so much money to protect your rights, while in the first place you should not.
So one day you grab a magazine, and all of a sudden your photo is published as an advertisement from Toyota. Would you not be angry?

As i said again, Today you dont get this, because all work is protected. But if the law is in action you are not protected.

Why protect a law that is against you Jay? It`s just another methode of the state grabbing your money, and if you can`t afford it, for guy`s like Bill Gates to steal your work, like he did in the 80`s with Windows.

Another example. at this moment i`ll go to your site, download all your work, build a new Print Sale Site, and sell it, you cant do anything because you are not protected, i can laugh and earn tons of money without breaking a sweat.

As i said again, at this day Every Single Work is protected even without the C.

Check out the Berne Copyright Convention.

# 4 11-04-2008 , 07:25 AM
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And here is another more in depth reply from a member of CGS.



I'm just pulling a couple of snippets from the article to highlight why registering images may not be quite as simple (although some companies may be able to register artwork or photography as a collection of images as was mentioned in a previous post) as registering a written manuscript:

1. "...You could see photos you take of your family and kids, or of a family vacation, used in a magazine or newspaper without your permission or payment to you. You would have to pay to register your photos, all of them, in every new registry in order to protect them. Say the average person takes 300 photos per year... If a registry only charges $5 per image, that is a whopping $1,500 to protect your photos that are protected automatically under the current laws. If there are three registries, protecting your images could cost an amazing $4,500. Not to mention the time it would take to register every photo you take. Plus, you will also have to place your copyright sign on every photo.

That's not including all your art, sketches, paintings, 3D models, animations, etc. Do you really have all that extra time and money? Plus, even if you do register, the people stealing your work can still claim it was orphaned and, unless you fight them, they win. Even if you win, you may not make back your legal fees...."

2. "...It gets even better. Anyone can submit images, including your images. They would then be excused from any liability for infringement (also known as THEFT) unless the legitimate rights owner (you) responds within a certain period of time to grant or deny permission to use your work.

That means you will also have to look through every image in every registry all the time to make sure someone is not stealing and registering your art. You could actually end up illegally using your own artwork if someone else registers it..."

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Watermarking is a fine idea...but what online newspaper, magazine, etc. will permit that when you sell your work to them? Generally, the copyright info is posted below the image if that's in your contract, not on it. And that is a strong concern from what I've read by photographers who sell their work as stock photography. So, if someone grabs the image, there's not necessarily associated copyright info with it.

Also, I read that some image hosters (Flickr was one example I found, link to article here), where metadata (like ownership for example) is stripped when the image is posted. So, things aren't quite perfect yet...

So...I'm still not entirely sure what all is going on with the Orphan Works hearings/bill/law and what it could mean as regards to how my work is used for commercial and/or private with copyrights or no...or even how it could affect the way that I post my artwork (and other images) on the internet; most of the legal documentation is not something that I read and study on a daily basis (ha -- hardly). Whatever the case, I'm glad that it's finally on my radar, considering that the initial bill hearing (proposal) looks like it was in 2002 and I'd never heard a peep till March 2008.

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Thanks for bringing this subject up aiko, it was something I had always wondered about and now it looks like I will have to pay more attention than ever to protecting my work now that its online...grrr.
I wonder how much weight websites whose images carry a copyright logo over their artwork will carry these days, even with the usual please do not copy and distribute work herein without the creators consent. gotta hate right-click save image as user added image
Its all very cut-throat....yarr!

Keep a weather-eye out mate

# 6 17-04-2008 , 01:52 AM
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I might add that this affects all international artists on a large scale as someone in the US may be able to steal your work under this change and they would be protected by US Law.

Canada has done some good to try and oppose this thing but by means of saying if you want to use a work, they have registries that will search through substantial records to find a copyright hold/creator for the piece. If after their search they cannot find anything then they will allow the use of such work.

Canada is much like the UK in that you can throw on a copyright symbol, your name, and the date and you are covered under the law.

Orphan works sucks, we can't let it happen!


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# 7 17-04-2008 , 11:09 AM
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Wow, thats actually pretty disturbing and enraging at the same time, I don't even think these people live in the real world, and its a world filled with people who would really like to get a lot for little to nothing. All that'll do is launch an era of theft of epic proportions and make certain people obscene amounts of money, and petty thieves will get away without a scratch. Are you kidding me?! they really expect someone who stands to make money off something to actually hunt the owner down to ask for permission and/or give them a cut, when legally they really don't have to? The magic word here is "money". All that good faith nonsense, when the guy could say hey I tried and that'll be the end of it (forget it if you're trying to go after the large companies). Some joker could go on a "right click, save as" rampage and start selling desktop wallpaper CDs without even worrying about looking over his shoulder. Or your personal pictures could end up on some kinda viagra spam pop up. Sadly in this country, the big boys are able to purchase laws that favor their bottom lines, while the rest of the country is concerned with washed up celebrities' drug issues and the hot new shiney colors of the latest cell phones. Oppression sprinkled with sugar. So unless you feed into their setup, your creativity is fair game.Thats enough ranting for me, I will be spreading this though.


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Bringing up the old topic here, you guys think using watermarks would help?


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Well the important thing is that if somebody sees your image, that they can track you down, so an URL and your Name would help prevent people not knowing using your work, as for the fact if this Orphan Law is approved, not a single watermark or whatever will help you be protected, you will only be protected outside America not inside.

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The magic word here is "money". All that good faith nonsense, when the guy could say hey I tried and that'll be the end of it (forget it if you're trying to go after the large companies).

Sadly there would pop up people who specialize in the removal of watermarking and ownership. So long as you don't know who specifically removed your ownership you are as good as screwed.

this is a law that would terribly ruin a lot of things.


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Thank the makers that this is a US Law. Are you sure International Copyright Law wont protect your art?

Infact post all your work in the UK and our copyright law will cover it :p


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Copyrights a minefield, I have to be really really careful about it with what I do day to day. Sufice to say, if your here your probably sorted without any marking, as long as you can prove that its yours.


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Originally posted by R@nSiD
Thank the makers that this is a US Law. Are you sure International Copyright Law wont protect your art?

Infact post all your work in the UK and our copyright law will cover it :p

It will cover any UK infringement, but if an American were to steal your work their government would protect them because they are abiding by their own laws.
This is where the turmoil starts for the rest of the world.


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Stupidity springs to mind, if you have the original artwork, then who has the right to dispute it?

I know Copyright Laws are dumb and most have soooo many loopholes it looks like swiss cheese, maybe they have gone too far.


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Found another good link for this thing-> https://www.publicknowledge.org/node/1537
The sad thing is that bribery by dirty businessmen negate the entire safegaurd process.

Well, demo reels on Youtube are out of the question then, being owned by America. The only way for artists to keep their art safe is by use of a website or some sort of high bandwith database. So, what's the catch- they cost money. You will be throwing money aweay to keep your work safe keeping the bad guys' pockets full. The average artist- the college student- will probably not have enough to pay to keep his artworks safe. The second he stops paying for his work to be protected, it's fair game.


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