Thanks for the encouragement! I'm beginning to understand that the tutorial I've spent quite alot of time looking at hasn't stressed edge loops enough, but I'm working on it atm.
Hasn't got the thinking of how to efficiently get quads from different situations of 3 or 5sides. Testing out the mjpolytools aswell. Some really neat tools in there
[I understand that the egde loops from over the nose should run down under the mouth, going to engage that one now...]