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# 16 10-02-2004 , 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by lonepig
Multi-processor systems can run any software that a normal single processor software. The benifit comes when the program is written to use 2+ processors, such as Maya.

Maya is not optimized for dual processors, it's not yet multithread. unless u are doing extensive rendering, go with a dual. otherwise maya will run the same on a single processor @ 3.06 and a 3.06 dual, but rendering time will be different. so u can save a lot of cash by getting a single hyperthread 3.06. and yea research and decide what the primary purpose of your system. if u r a pro then u need a lot of power, otherwise if u r just learning, by the time u know enough to really need that much power, like the specs u posted; PCs will be 3 times faster and probably a lot cheaper than 5 grand.
and 64 bit is the next "big" thing, so u can invest in a single opteron and get great performance.

# 17 10-02-2004 , 01:00 PM
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I disagree that you do not need powerful when you are learning Maya. What does a powerful system offer?

(1) Fast application interaction
(2) Good rendering speeds
(3) Hardware rendering capabilities
(4) Good simulation performance
(5) Lots of space for storing files

These things, I would argue, are equally valuable to a serious student who is experimenting with many different aspects of Maya: dynamics, rendering, animation etc.

Sorry Vlad user added image, but I also have to take issue with the 64 bit argument right now. Until there is adequate software to support the 64bit standard, it will not significantly outperform a 32bit system... and until Intel announce their 64bit offering (sometime in March), there will be only minor 64bit support. I certainly didn't see any mention of it in the Maya 6 files that were recently posted here.


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# 18 10-02-2004 , 01:06 PM
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Ah and one other thing....WindowsXP is somewhat optimised for Multi-Processor systems. Therefore, any application that runs within XP on a multi-processor system will see a performance boost. Even my single 3.2GHz P4 with hyperthreading benchmarks lower in XP when the hyperthreading is disabled.


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# 19 10-02-2004 , 01:33 PM
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Bear in mind that Ram will get faster in the future, and nowadays you cant use more than 2 Gb (maybe with win64 and a AMD64 system more but im not sure) so when you want to upgrade ram in, lets say one and a half years or two, you wont want those old slow 400Mhz DDR you now like so much, but you will want, lets say, 16 Gb of 1000Mhz memory...

With cooling my advice is to get a tree steps fan the lowest noise certified you can get...(lets say an artic cooling) if you need more wind (lets say is summer and its 38ºC inside the room...) you can just open the case and point a big home fan to it (it works wonders for me in case of need user added image)

Also im considering a hot restore hardware system if you can understand spanish you may find this page really interesting
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Dunno if there are equivalent system builders out there on england or america but i´ve been testing (and really screwing up) a pc equipped with one of those and im gonna install one in my rig (for just 50€ you just can forget about bad installations, restore points, virus damage, and damage for not closing windows properly, sweet...)

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Originally posted by MayaStudent
What 8Gigs? I know it is overkill but I was just wondering if in the far off future if I would have to buy a new MOBO to upgrade ram.

By the time you'd need 8 Gig of RAM, you'd no doubt be investing in a new mobo, anyway....which really aren't all that expensive to begin with. Personally, I think if you research enough, you'll be able to put a great machine together that runs Maya as well as everything else without a hitch for around $1800. This will also last you for some time.


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# 21 10-02-2004 , 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by Huxley
I disagree that you do not need powerful when you are learning Maya. What does a powerful system offer?

(1) Fast application interaction
(2) Good rendering speeds
(3) Hardware rendering capabilities
(4) Good simulation performance
(5) Lots of space for storing files

These things, I would argue, are equally valuable to a serious student who is experimenting with many different aspects of Maya: dynamics, rendering, animation etc.

i said that form a learner's perspective. i do not have maya cloth or live or other fancy hoo haa maya unlimited has to offer. so i do not see the need for a student to buy a professional system, when they can get away with a standard system. i am a serious learner, and frankly i have yet to see the need for a $5000 rig...
maybe if i could afford, i'd just buy it just to buy it user added image ... but until then, serious students have serious loans and serious bills. user added image
so if i can get away with a 2.6 xeon with HP or my good old PIII and good old pc133 ram, i'll use it until i "need" to upgraded. not because everyone else has a super fast rig.
but i've heard good things about 64 bit architecture...
i'm no computer savvy, just giving my opinion that's alluser added image

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I agree with most of you points vladimirjp but as he said he had a budget of $5500 for a machine I was trying to advise around this.

Regarding the dual option, you have good points again. And yes Mayastudent may be a beginner at the moment but he, I'm assuming your male mate, will progress and in the long term the hardware will come into its own and make learning alot more relaxing than having to wait for everything to happen.

Also how many times have you had maya, adobe, explorer etc etc open and rendering, texturing etc at the same time? Maybe not at first as a beginner but as your knowledge skills and work flow improve the more demands you'll put on your hardware to keep up.

To sum up, if it was a more budget limited system then I would do exactly as you have suggested but with such a big budget its fun to dream once in a while user added image.

Sorry if this has come acrross as a bit heated or as a flame its not meant to mate, just differing opinions.


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# 23 10-02-2004 , 08:43 PM
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My computer (single processor) can have maya, explorer, photoshop, after effects, etc. open at the same time and I built it for little more than a quarter of his budget. Personally, the only reason he would ever need to spend that much is if he were investing in a high-end mac. I'd rather build a nice workstation then use the rest of the money for other things. That's just me though.


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# 24 10-02-2004 , 08:49 PM
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For that money i'd get a Power Mac G5. If you haven't tried a mac before go and find somewhere you can have a go on one, you'll either love it or hate it but most people who use them love it.

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I'm going to wait till either the mid summer or the end of the summer to buy a computer but the alienware one is the one i've got my eye on. My friend has a mac g5 great system but I'm just hooked on pcs right now. by the time the summer gets here I will have more then 5500 so I should be able to get something that won't have to be upgraded for years to come.

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Also if you are at college or something don't forget educational discount. You can save a few hundred on a high end system.

# 27 11-02-2004 , 06:44 PM
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Hey i did it i managed a rig on https://www.alternate.net/ that outgrows your puny 5000€ budget! hehehe! the wildcat helped a lot i wouldnt have made it without it... change it for something less the best of the best and you have your "on 5000" budget machine....


AMD Athlon64 3200+ 419,00 €
Thermaltake Slient Boost K8 39,00 €
Asus K8V Deluxe 150,00 €
Kingston HyperX 2-2-2 DIMM 1 GB 400 MhzDDR 279,00 €
Kingston HyperX 2-2-2 DIMM 1 GB 400 MhzDDR 279,00 €
Thermaltake XaserIII V2000+ 179,00 €
Enermax EG465AX-VE(W)FMA 460W 129,00 €
(SATA) 160Gb 7200rpm Seagate 3160023AS 139,00 €
(SCSI) 37Gb 15000rpm Fujitsu MAS3184NP 199,00 €
DVDsRW+- x4 Plextor PX-708A 229,00 €
Floppy 13,00 €
Logitech Cordless Desktop MX 104,00 €
Wildcat4 7210 2299,00 EUR
3Dgoogles 120€
TFT Samsung 19" 192T 799,00 €
TFT Samsung 19" 192T 799,00 €
enasemblage: 35,00 €


Now, could you lend me to get one for myself too?



uh almost forgot Santa, as ive been a good boy i want a big bad 6000€ plasmaHDTV and a 24000€ Sony HDTV 2K Camera and a 1200€ HDTV capture/accelerator card too, and a Ferrariand two boiled eggs too...


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# 28 11-02-2004 , 09:30 PM
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# 29 11-02-2004 , 09:42 PM
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not trying to insult you mayastudent, but if you're waiting until the end of the summer to buy a machine why are you looking at one now? so much will change in the 6 months between now and the end of the summer that it's not even worth pricechecking machines right now. if i were you i'd just try to keep up on the news and reviews of new hardware coming out so that by the end of the summer you will know exactly what you want and you can also try to pick up the best performing stuff for the best prices (instance: my 64mb vid card outperforms a lot of 128mb cards, and i saved over 100 bucks buying this one as opposed to the brand spankin new 128's this past summer).

just try to keep up on what's being released, what's being hyped (and if it lives up to the hype!! big question) and where the performance really lies.

p.s. if you were to get 8 gig of ram you would probably not even use 75% of it as there would be plenty of other bottlenecks in your system that would cause slowdowns much before you used the majority of your ram, i know you said it's overkill but still, remember that a system where each part is hitting it's fullest potential is going to run a lot better than a mostly crummy system with one really kickass component.


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# 30 11-02-2004 , 11:04 PM
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Oh no problem man, I was just seeing what companys made good machines, Alienware has really caught my eye and the have really good customer service so I'm probably going to go with them but it will probably be better after summer.

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